{"id":864,"date":"2016-06-23T02:48:38","date_gmt":"2016-06-23T06:48:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/beemandave.com\/beemanblog\/?p=864"},"modified":"2017-01-09T17:29:36","modified_gmt":"2017-01-09T21:29:36","slug":"chatting-with-a-libertarian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/beemandave.com\/beemanblog\/blog\/2016\/06\/23\/chatting-with-a-libertarian\/","title":{"rendered":"Chatting With A Libertarian"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Greeting and Salutations;<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 It is the season of politics, of course, \u00a0and one interesting thing that has happened is that there is a surge of interest in third-party candidates. \u00a0 One of the bigger parties has been around a LONG time, and this year the Libertarians may get significant numbers of votes. \u00a0 Now, \u00a0will that produce a viable President Elect? \u00a0 Or will it just act as a spoiler, \u00a0causing either The Donald, or HRC to lose enough electorial votes that the other one takes the office? \u00a0 Only time will tell.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0In my discussions with a wide range of poltical views, \u00a0I happened to end up interacting with a gentleman who is a Libertarian, \u00a0and believes that the bible of politics should be the collected words of Ron Paul. \u00a0 We have had some interesting discussions, \u00a0so I thought I would add them to the collection of non-beekeeping posts \u00a0(yes I am still a beekeeper&#8230;although thanks to a variety of factors it looks like this year is going to be a maintenance and rebuilding year for my hives&#8230;) \u00a0 I have interspersed my comments with his here, to make it easier to tell what, exactly I am talking about&#8230;.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div class=\"UFIRow UFIComment _4oep\">\n<div class=\"clearfix\">\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"UFIImageBlockContent _42ef clearfix\">\n<div class=\"\">\n<div class=\"UFICommentContentBlock\">\n<div class=\"UFICommentContent\">\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><i>&#8220;Seems to me that if there is any relevance in this quote to the situation today, it&#8217;s that the &#8220;great power&#8221; that &#8220;some believe can hold evil in check&#8221; is almost without question the ever-growing, omni-present, all powerful government. It literally seeks to &#8220;keep evil in check&#8221; in every facet of our lives, even by invading foreign countries to kill anyone who may ever think an evil thought. Even in the midst of the mighty expansion of power by the government, &#8220;progressives&#8221; plead with the population to give it more and more; progressives assert to the masses that any societal problem is really just a lack of government, in the same way the progressive doctor insinuates to his patients that their symptoms are from a lack of some prescription drug, rather than advocating personal responsibility.<\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">If fact, in relation to the relevance of Gandalf&#8217;s quote to our current situation, there is no greater power than the US government, and that is an extremely scary thought to us libertarians who know that it is actually the &#8220;small, everyday deeds of ordinary folks that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love&#8221; and charity and goodwill, coming altruistically and in the absence of a great power forcing us to act with such empathy. Gandalf&#8217;s quote is the libertarian&#8217;s fundamental position.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">~Long live Dr. Ron Paul.&#8221;<\/p>\n<div class=\"UFITranslatedText\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"UFITranslatedText\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"fsm fwn fcg UFICommentActions\">\u00a0One of several fallacies of\u00a0 the Libertarian is that EVERYONE will behave in an altruistic and humanitarian way. History shows us that this is NOT the case. For a couple of examples&#8230;.Without the testing required by the FDA, the American market would be flooded with so-called &#8220;Cures&#8221; that have NO efficacy. In the 1800s, before regulation, there were tens of thousands of &#8220;doctors&#8221;\u00a0 and traveling Medicine Men, selling bottles of liquid that would cure all your ills. They got rich off of selling bad whiskey, at inflated prices. I do have to ask you&#8230;.&#8221;in the same way the progressive doctor insinuates to his patients that their symptoms are from a lack of some prescription drug, rather than advocating personal responsibility&#8221;\u00a0 What in the WORLD do you mean by this? It sounds as if you are supporting faith healing over modern medicine. Want a more precise example? I found out a few years ago that I had Hep C and it was on the verge of killing me. I had gotten it from contaminated blood that I had been infused with before there was even a test for the disease. The ONLY reason that I am alive today, and still have my own liver, is because I was lucky enough to get on one of the new treatments, and have it paid for by that government you hate. Should I be dead? And how would my taking personal responsibility have cured this disease?<\/div>\n<div class=\"fsm fwn fcg UFICommentActions\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"fsm fwn fcg UFICommentActions\">To move to a financial arena&#8230;what about the financial crash of 2008? The financial industry had been deregulated (too much in my opinion) because of this sort of attitude. Did they do the right thing and help America grow by careful application of funds, loans, etc? NO! They went on a rampage that culminated in the crash of 2008, and in the process made BILLIONS of dollars for themselves. They even worked to keep the financial bubble going a year longer than it should have, in order to make more money for themselves&#8230;.which made the crash even worse and the following recession (or depression&#8230;) that much worse and harder to get out of.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"fsm fwn fcg UFICommentActions\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"UFICommentContentBlock\">\n<div class=\"UFICommentContent\">Again, a personal example. We had decided to move and build a new house and had started the process in 2007. We had been cautious investors, and had a solid financial plan that would have allowed us to live comfortably while building the new house. Well, the crash came and almost OVERNIGHT, 70% of our investment value went away&#8230;.vanished in the winds. Since then, we have been struggling to keep our heads above water, and while we are continually close to the edge, thanks to the help of family and cutting the cash burn where we could, we are keeping above water.<\/div>\n<div class=\"UFICommentContent\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"UFICommentContent\">So&#8230;your libertarian attitude that government control is a bad thing is again brought to question, as it was the lack of good government control that allowed this financial bubble to happen and burst, causing great hardship for MANY Americans.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\"><i>&#8220;What other power on earth is greater than the US Government? What other central power structure has more authority, more oversight, and more power than the US Government?<\/i><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">Progressives obviously think that the Federal Government should oversee and conduct: Planned Parenthood, healthcare in general, education, mass surveillance, defining food, growing food, pre-emptive aggressive warfare, feeding the poor in America, feeding the poor abroad, having\/raising the minimum wage, bailing out banks and investment firms, bailing out industries in general which are &#8220;too big to fail&#8221;, and many other duties. These are all things which &#8220;progressive&#8221; politicians like Obama and Hillary have advocated for or directly done. No offense, but progressivism is almost a complete adulteration and dismantlement of our original governmental structure, which clearly defined the President&#8217;s duties as well as the Federal Government&#8217;s duties, none of which I listed above are granted to them.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">I say that progressives and liberals in general crave more government because look at all the problems we have and look at what progressives and liberals ask for, government! Can&#8217;t afford healthcare? Government. Can&#8217;t afford college? Government. Can&#8217;t afford birth control? Government. These are serious problems, but the answer is not inevitably government and it is a terrible condition to perceive solutions through the lens of government. Our original government was structured such that the Federal Government protected our individual rights and the States&#8217; rights and sovereignty. All other problems were left up to State governments, local governments, and free people to solve.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">The trend I see is a sacrificing of rights and liberties for an increased sense of security and protection from the government. I agree government can be beneficial; small, local and state governments. The national government protects our States and our rights, that&#8217;s it, otherwise it messes things up. Clearly it messes things up. Look at our education after 40 years under the Fed. Look at our food after decades under the Fed. The solution is to strip power from where it should have never been put, not to give the hungry beast more.&#8221;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">\n<div style=\"padding-left: 60px;\"><i>&#8220;Libertarians do not assume that everyone will act with altruism and morals. We fully expect that there will people who simply will be grumpy old codgers. Those people will likely have a harder time and will likely have fewer friends and helpers, but we libertarians acknowledge their right to be a grumpy old codger. With respect to crimes, we libertarians have developed a genius way to deal with those who try to take the rights away from others or harm them; the Justice Department. So it&#8217;s not a &#8220;fallacy&#8221; on the libertarian&#8217;s part; it&#8217;s just that you assume we think everyone will behave, when really we know everyone won&#8217;t, so we have safety measures in place.&#8221;<\/i><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Ok&#8230;not quite what I meant. \u00a0I apologize for being unclear. \u00a0What I was trying to say was &#8220;So,\u00a0 who is going to step up and take care of the tasks necessary to keep today&#8217;s society running? \u00a0And how will that work?&#8221; \u00a0More specifically, \u00a0 Someone is going to have to pave the road in front of your house; \u00a0pull the power and data lines to your house; \u00a0have cops, firemen and\/or \u00a0EMTs show up when you are in trouble \u00a0Then we move on to the infrastructure of the country. \u00a0 Who is going to regulate this, and ensure that it is working and kept up to date? \u00a0 All of these are functions that the government provides. \u00a0 Would a Libertarian Administration support these services? \u00a0 Or would it cut funding, \u00a0and require each of us to contract to have these services and such as a private citizen?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>Now&#8230;According to my research over the years, \u00a0 Libertarians have quite simple philosophical points they hope to live by. \u00a0 These are summed up in this quote: &#8220;Libertarianism is the simple morality we learned as children: don\u2019t strike first, don\u2019t steal or cheat, keep your promises. If you inadvertently fail to live up to these standards, make it up to the person you\u2019ve harmed. If someone harms you, you may defend yourself as needed to stop the aggressor and obtain reparations. This simple morality works group-to-group just as it works one-to-one to bring about a peaceful and prosperous world.\u201d \u2013 Mary Ruwart, author of Healing Our World in an Age of Aggression&#8221; \u00a0 The most important point of the philosophy I run across is this: \u201cLibertarianism is a political philosophy. It is concerned solely with the proper use of force. Its core premise is that it should be illegal to threaten or initiate violence against a person or his property without his permission; force is justified only in defense or retaliation.That is it, in a nutshell. The rest is mere explanation, elaboration, and qualification.\u201d &#8211; Walter Block, Loyola University Professor and author of Defending the Undefendable \u00a0 \u00a0 That having been said&#8230;.What exactly does the Justice Department do, and how would it go about that job?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><i>&#8216;With regards to the FDA, this is where there are fallacies but you see none. The FDA has completely adulterated &#8220;food.&#8221; It h&#8221;as allowed dozens if not hundreds of chemicals and &#8220;food-like-substances&#8221; to be put into the food supply. I&#8217;m not saying that it&#8217;s not the Federal Government&#8217;s job to keep people safe; I&#8217;m saying that it&#8217;s the Federal Government&#8217;s job to prosecute those who poison the food supply with such a severe punishment that nobody else will try to put aspartame, fluoride, aluminum, or any of the other poisons the FDA currently allows. By the way, please check out the &#8220;revolving door&#8221; between the FDA and the chemical companies. Big money runs the FDA.&#8221;&#8216;<\/i><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Ok. \u00a0 I know that there are many folks that are suspicious of the FDA. \u00a0However, \u00a0I believe that your analysis of the department is focusing on the small percentage of failures and ignoring the many successes of the agency. \u00a0 The fact is that everything you eat is made up of chemicals, \u00a0some of which are pretty bad for you in quantity. \u00a0For example, \u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cfs.gov.hk\/english\/whatsnew\/whatsnew_fa\/files\/formaldehyde.pdf\"> here is a PDF <\/a>listing all the foods that contain varying degrees of Formaldehyde \u00a0 There are other examples, but this is going to be long enough that I will hold off on listing others. \u00a0 The job of the FDA is this: &#8220;FDA is responsible for protecting the public health by assuring the safety, efficacy and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, medical devices, our nation&#8217;s food supply, cosmetics, and products that emit radiation.Dec 7, 2015&#8221; \u00a0This does not mean that they test everything sold. \u00a0 They would be the size of the Military budget if they could do that. \u00a0 However, \u00a0 The scientists there examine the studies given them from various sources, \u00a0and make their best recommendation about a given item. \u00a0 Sometimes \u00a0 those evaluations are followed exactly. \u00a0Sometimes, \u00a0political deals are made, \u00a0but, the bottom line is that very few really toxic things are allowed through, \u00a0and when they show up as causing problems, \u00a0they are removed from the shelves. \u00a0 In short, \u00a0Aspartame, \u00a0Fluoride, and Aluminum that you mention are toxic in large enough quantities. \u00a0 However, \u00a0 there have been many, many studies that have shown that, \u00a0in the quantities allowed in food or drink, \u00a0these substances do not have enough impact on mortality to change the averages. \u00a0 Yes&#8230;I can provide links &#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.snopes.com\/medical\/toxins\/aspartame.asp\"> For Aspartame, as an example <\/a>&#8211; \u00a0 For Fluoride &#8211; According to the American Cancer Society &#8220;The researchers found \u201cequivocal\u201d (uncertain) evidence of cancer-causing potential of fluoridated drinking water in male rats, based on a higher than expected number of cases of osteosarcoma (a type of bone cancer). There was no evidence of cancer-causing potential in female rats or in male or female mice.Jul 28, 2015&#8221; \u00a0As for aluminum &#8211;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC2782734\/\"> this hard to read article <\/a>digs into the actual studies and discusses the conclusions found &#8211; bottom line with this report is that to get brain damage from aluminum, \u00a0one would have to powder a 12&#8243; cooking pan, and eat that volume of powder once a week for life. \u00a0 In any case, \u00a0to say the FDA is the one putting anything into food shows confusion about the role of the agency. \u00a0 It is the manufacturers of food that add a variety of chemicals to foods and remove others, in an attempt to make a more salable product.\u00a0 It is a fact that the <b>only<\/b>\u00a0 \u00a0way to approach having &#8220;pure&#8221; food is to either grow everything yourself, \u00a0 or purchase your food locally from people you know. \u00a0 Neither option is a viable alternative for at least 80% of Americans.<\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Now&#8230;as for your comment about the &#8220;revolving door&#8221; with industry. \u00a0I do agree that this is a problem. \u00a0I rather like the solution suggested by the New York Times<\/div>\n<blockquote><p>\u00a0&#8220;But consumer advocates are surely right that putting the industry in charge of supplement regulation is like appointing the fox to guard the henhouse. Clearly, the F.D.A. should not allow industry insiders to fill key positions. A permanent solution is for Congress to enact conflict-of-interest laws forcing employees above a certain grade level at any agency to recuse themselves from official actions that affect a former employer or client, including trade associations and their members.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p>However, that requires action by Congress, \u00a0and for the past 7+ years \u00a0taking action has been a foreign concept to the Right-Wingers that control it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><i>&#8220;With regards to &#8220;modern medicine,&#8221; Hippocrates was the father of modern medicine. He said &#8220;let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine thy food.&#8221; He also said that we should be able to doctor and cure ourselves by the age of 40. Obviously he could not foresee the terrible and dramatic deterioration of our diets and lifestyles. Maybe he was living in &#8220;utopia.&#8221; Hepatitis C is a terrible viral infection, but there are natural compounds in nature which effectively neutralize the virus and the damage it causes in the body. Of course, no doctor who was educated in western medical schools will know this because his curriculum is so strongly influenced by the trillion dollar pharmaceutical\/biotechnology industry, in the very same way the agricultural curriculum is influenced by BigOil agriculture. I graduated from Clemson with a degree in Health Science; I can assure you that even this fine institution is very &#8220;western&#8221; in the way it views health, disease, and treatment options. I had many brief conversations in the classroom with professors over the myopic and segregated information being presented. Speaking of myopia, you say that &#8220;the only reason&#8221; you&#8217;re alive today is because of western medicine. That is quite an assumption, seeing as how many other protocols of medicine could very well have cured you, and indeed if it were not for a western way of life in the first place, you may have never contracted this virus; furthermore, if not for westernization spreading like a cancer on this earth, the Hepatitis C virus would likely not be so prevalent.&#8221;<\/i><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0Oddly enough, \u00a0 while I am open to the practices of other cultures (for example, \u00a0I do take Turmeric when I can afford it, \u00a0and I have been doing Tai Chi for close to 15 years), \u00a0I am \u00a0unwilling to accept ANY medicine or procedure without understanding what it intends to do, and without some fairly extensive clinical trials that PROVE that it will do what it claims to do. \u00a0As for Turmeric, \u00a0while some holistic healers claim great things for it, \u00a0I consider that to be whistling past the graveyard, or an attempt to scam money out of the gullible. \u00a0I have seen a significant number of real studies though, that show that the curcumin in it DOES have some positive effects on the body. \u00a0 Simply because it comes from someone else&#8217;s culture does not mean that a belief in the palliative effects is justified. \u00a0 For example, \u00a0thousands of Rhinos are killed every year simply so their horns can be ground up and used to cure all KINDS of illnesses. \u00a0 Does it work? \u00a0Well, \u00a0as well as grinding a cow&#8217;s leg bone up would! \u00a0It is purely a placebo effect. \u00a0Hence, \u00a0one of the reasons it is not allowed to be sold or advertised for any of these uses in the United States.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0As for your comments on Hep C&#8230;They are without merit in my case. \u00a0 When I was first diagnosed, \u00a0some six years ago, \u00a0I spent several years TRYING some of the alternative treatments. \u00a0 The Results? \u00a0 My viral load stayed high and the inevitable march of Death towards me was unhindered. \u00a0 However, \u00a0 a couple years ago, \u00a0I was one of the early\u00a0 numbers of people treated with Sovaldi and another drug. \u00a0The end result was that by\u00a0 the end of THREE MONTHS, \u00a0my viral load was undetectable. \u00a0I took the pills for another 90 days, \u00a0as the doctors wanted to make sure that all traces of the virus were gone. \u00a0 Every blood test\u00a0 since finishing the treatment has confirmed that\u00a0 my viral load remains at zero. \u00a0 I am, finally,\u00a0 CURED. \u00a0\u00a0 While some of the alternative treatments and supplements\u00a0 did make me FEEL a bit better for a while, \u00a0they did not remove the virus from my body, \u00a0nor did they slow the damage it was doing to my liver. \u00a0When I first presented symptoms some six years ago, \u00a0my doctor was blunt. \u00a0He told me that there was a less than 50% chance that I would survive more than four years, \u00a0considering my condition. \u00a0 Since I am quite &#8220;internal&#8221; and am in contact with my body and aware of it, \u00a0I was quite willing to accept his diagnosis. \u00a0 However, \u00a0 being a stubborn German (with one HELL of a strong metabolism), \u00a0I also was not going to roll over and wait to die. \u00a0So, \u00a0I started a journey of taking control of my treatment, \u00a0and pushing for treatments. \u00a0If one was available, \u00a0there had to be a damn good reason why I should not have it.\u00a0\u00a0 Before the Sovaldi regime, though,\u00a0 the treatments required many shots,\u00a0 had terrible side effects,\u00a0 took a\u00a0 year,\u00a0 and, only had about a 30% chance of eliminating the virus.<\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0While I appreciate Hippocrates and his huge leap forwards \u00a0in changing medicine from random superstitions to an actual, fact based science , \u00a0 are you advocating that we should walk way from the diagnostic tools and medicines that we have today, \u00a0and return to medicine as it was when he planted the roots of Western Medicine? \u00a0 here, by the by, is an excellent, if short,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Hippocrates\">\u00a0biography of him and his works\u00a0<\/a><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0I would also appreciate your explaining a little further about your remark <i>\u00a0&#8220;if it were not for a western way of life in the first place, you may have never contracted this virus; furthermore, if not for westernization spreading like a cancer on this earth, the Hepatitis C virus would likely not be so prevalent&#8221; \u00a0 <\/i>It rather sounds like a general condemnation of &#8220;Western Society&#8221;.\u00a0\u00a0 While,\u00a0 Lord Knows, there are problems with Europeans and the rest of us,\u00a0\u00a0 this society has also produced some of the best art (in music,\u00a0 theatre,\u00a0 paintings,\u00a0 writings,\u00a0 etc)\u00a0 seen on Earth.\u00a0 I also have never seen any serious connection between a particular form of civilization,\u00a0 and the spread of disease &#8211; especially a disease as unobtrusive as Hep C.<i><br \/>\n<\/i><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><i>&#8220;With regards to the financial collapse, Ron Paul warned of this decades earlier; there are videos on top of videos that are decades old which are of Ron Paul clearly articulating the political, financial, and social holes we are digging for ourselves. To me, the single greatest thing any American can do to further his understanding of the events playing out in the world today and how they are being handled by world governments and financial institutions would be to listen to every word ever spoken by Ron Paul. I&#8217;m very serious when I say that. Furthermore, the collapse is not finished, we are still digging the hole, and it will be much worse next time. The deregulation was purposeful. It&#8217;s going to take a lot more independent research on your part for you to understand the argument I&#8217;m making but suffice it say that the goal all along was have the taxpayers bail out the &#8220;struggling&#8221; financial institutions. The collapse was planned; it was not an accident any more than 9\/11 was an accident.&#8221;<\/i><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0First of all, \u00a0your assumption that I have not researched these claims assumes facts not in evidence. \u00a0 Simply because I say that this is starting to sound like the unfounded fantasies of a Conspiracy Loony \u00a0does not mean that I have no knowledge of that whch you speak.<\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0However, \u00a0I would like to see some links from reliable sources that support you say about the Finanacial collapse being planned so the taxpayers would bail out the financial institutions. \u00a0While it is true that the government LENT large sums of money to various corporations, to help keep them from crashing down and causing worse problems, \u00a0 it appears that ALL that money, \u00a0plus interest has been repaid. \u00a0 Rather than saying that the collapse was planned, \u00a0I would say that the junk bond games that CAUSED it were planned and propped up by the banks and hedge funds. \u00a0Perhaps one of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.propublica.org\/article\/all-the-magnetar-trade-how-one-hedge-fund-helped-keep-the-housing-bubble\">best reports I have seen on this is her<\/a>e \u00a0 Note that without the efforts of Magnetar, \u00a0the bubble would have burst a year or so sooner, \u00a0which would have cause a lot of financial pain, \u00a0but, \u00a0far LESS than the world-wide crash it precipitated. \u00a0 I am pretty sure, too, \u00a0that had Magnetar thought that there was a few more billion to squeeze out of the economy, \u00a0they would have propped things up for a bit longer.<\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0This economic crash that put a huge number of people into serious financial difficulties, was a DIRECT result of the financial lobbyists talking several administrations into doing what may have looked like &#8220;minor&#8221; relaxations of the regulations and oversight that would have kept this from happening. \u00a0 This situation was purely out of greed, \u00a0and it worked for many of these wankers. \u00a0 There were hundreds and hundreds of hedge fund managers and bankers who walked away with BILLIONS of dollars from this crash. \u00a0Know how many have gone to jail in the USA? \u00a0 1 (ONE) sacrifical goat was thrown out so the Right-Wing congress could claim that they have &#8220;punished&#8221; the miscreants. \u00a0 I still have a bad attitude about this because over one weekend, \u00a0we saw the investments we had planed to use to pay for retirement, and to build a house on the property we had bought lose 70% of their value. \u00a0 We are still struggling from that hit. \u00a0 Now&#8230;Libertarians talk about &#8220;personal responsibility&#8221;. \u00a0 We had a conservative set of investments, \u00a0and we had a financial course laid out that would have tied up about 80% of that cash as collateral and such. \u00a0 Where was OUR &#8220;Personal Responsibility&#8221; in losing all those resources?<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><i>&#8220;The most unfortunate thing I see today with regards to people who are fired up about social and political change is this: that they know there is &#8220;corruption&#8221; within the government but to know the true extent of the corruption, the true breadth and depth of the corruption, makes them so uncomfortable that they not only don&#8217;t want to research it, they don&#8217;t even want to consider it. There is an agenda in action right now. Most big names in politics are involved, and many secret societies and organizations are involved. The Clintons, the Bush family, Obama, Kissinger, Rockefeller, Rothschilde, the Bohemian Grove, the Bilderberg Group, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Tri-Lateral Commission. There is more information available than a dozen of the finest scholars could peruse. What I know is barely even the tip of the iceberg, but I&#8217;m damn sure not naive anymore. I&#8217;m not necessarily religious, but the Bible actually foretells what we&#8217;re seeing right now. To give a brief anecdote of my own, my dad&#8217;s best friend was in the FBI for 40 years. When asked about the FBI in general, he says it&#8217;s the most corrupt organization there is. Planting evidence, advancements made underhandedly, general negligence. They&#8217;re all like that, all the government organizations, which is why I can&#8217;t understand why people want to give it more money (we&#8217;re $17 trillion in debt by the way, $2 trillion more since Obama took office) and more power.&#8221;<\/i><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 Ok&#8230;ALL of your claims about a world government, run by these &#8220;secret&#8221; societies&#8221; \u00a0has yet to have any actual documentation. \u00a0 It falls right into that Conspiracy fantasy world that is used to push a variety of agendas. \u00a0 Oh Yes&#8230;by the by&#8230;Reading rants without proof on a Conspiracy Website does not qualify as &#8220;more information&#8221;. \u00a0 It has been my observation that some wild theory will get posted to a single website, \u00a0and then, like vultures to a carcase, \u00a0ALL the others will grab that story, and post it on their sites. \u00a0Some will take it directly. \u00a0Some will tweak it a bit, to fit the prejudices of THEIR audience. but, there are few examples of independent research. \u00a0 Now, \u00a0I am NOT saying that some of these entities exist. \u00a0However, \u00a0they are hardly a world government, and they sure as the dickens are NOT secret. \u00a0After all, \u00a0The\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/trilateral.org\/\">trilateral commission<\/a>\u00a0has a website where it talks at length about itself, why it exists, and what it does at the meetings. \u00a0Also, they post papers about what they discussed. \u00a0 As for the Bohemian Grove&#8230;well, \u00a0I think\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/blogs\/blogpost\/post\/bohemian-grove-where-the-rich-and-powerful-go-to-misbehave\/2011\/06\/15\/AGPV1sVH_blog.html\">this article<\/a>\u00a0pretty well covers it &#8211; \u00a0 The\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cfr.org\/about\/\">Council on Foreign relations<\/a>\u00a0has a nice website &#8211; \u00a0and everyone and his brother knows about the Bilderberg Group. \u00a0The folks that go to these places are likely doing a higher end version of what we ALL do when we go to out of area conferences. \u00a0They are spending a bit of time sitting around arguing about issues, and listening to lectures detailing issues, \u00a0and the rest of the time, they are hanging out in rooms with a nice buffet, booze and cute servers, \u00a0networking and getting face time.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 Does any of this qualify as a nefarious plan to implement a World Government and enslave everyone? \u00a0 Not by my standards.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 I do agree about the FBI, though. \u00a0 Under that Cross-Dressing J. Edgar, \u00a0they did some pretty underhanded things and tended to act as if the rules did not apply to them. \u00a0 Indeed, I am fairly sure that they still do that. \u00a0 What can we do about that? \u00a0 Same thing we need to do with every police department in America. \u00a0 Go through and clean house. \u00a0Get ride of the sociopaths and bullies. \u00a0Keep the folks who believe in and try to live up to the oath they took when they joined the Bureau. \u00a0 Easy to say, \u00a0but hard to do, \u00a0because the scum in the organization are also the ones that have been at The Bohemian Grove with high-resolution cameras and recorders, \u00a0and NO politician wants the truth revealed about some parts of their life. \u00a0For that matter we ALL have episodes in our life that we would prefer not to have splattered all over the News Channels. \u00a0These are also the folks that will use that information if they feel they are threatened.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0As for the debt. \u00a0 I agree, \u00a0it is larger than it was when Pres. Obama took office. \u00a0However, \u00a0that ignores the more important facet of the problem&#8230;that of the deficit. \u00a0 Since Congress holds the purse strings in our government, \u00a0The reason the debt was growing rapidly was because they had bought a LOT of toys and services, \u00a0by handing out IOUs (the deficit). \u00a0When ever one spends more money than one brings in, it causes the debt to rise&#8230;that deficit was HUGE when Pres. Obama took office. \u00a0 In the 7+ years he has been in office, \u00a0he has managed, in spite of HUGE foot dragging by the Right-Wingers, \u00a0to bring that deficit down by more than 75%. \u00a0So&#8230;the debt is growing&#8230;yes&#8230;because Congress is still spending OUR money like a drunken sailor, \u00a0but, it is growing far more slowly than it would have if the deficit had not been dealt with. \u00a0Perhaps with the next Administration, \u00a0HRC, \u00a0since she is a white woman, \u00a0will get more cooperation, \u00a0and will do what Democratic Administrations ALWAYS end up doing&#8230;working Congress back to surplus building,\u00a0 eliminating the deficit, and causing the actual debt to drop. \u00a0 It shows a basic\u00a0 misunderstanding on how economics works,\u00a0 on the Governmental level,\u00a0 to simply blame Pres. 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